I was wandering the booths at the EPIC HR Conference in Las Vegas in April 2024 and struck up a conversation with Aaron Robbins with Intrinsic First up conversations when I learned more about Intrinsic First and its mission to improve the world through leadership development. Aaron asked if I wanted to participate in their podcast, and believing that nothing good happens in your comfort zone, I decided to take a chance at my first podcast interview and enjoyed every minute of talking to Drea.

Can We Make an Exception Just This One Time?
I hear this question constantly. And it’s almost always followed by one of these: “Well, we already made the exception.” “This employee is loyal and


